Curse

JohnnyV045 · May 31, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by makosi

There should be a petition to bring Lina to Cantha. She was the best.

/signed

Amadei · May 31, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Whiplashr

On the subject of henchies and stupid skill usage.. they need to remove Fire Storm from Cynn and other mage henchies that have it.

They should replace it with Meteor Shower, which is MUCH more effective. Mobs will still try to run from it, but usually can't because of the knockdowns. I always bring Cynn, but god, Firestorm is frustrating to deal with.

While we're at it, can we please please PLEASE stop Claude from standing at the frontline casting Blood Ritual on the warriors?

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Originally Posted by salaboB

I once spent most of a mission chasing her around, she was actually running away from me whenever I got close.

Oh, yeah, been there, done that. At one point, I had to give up because I was laughing so hard. She just wouldn't stand still.

MaglorD · May 31, 2006, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by Amadei

They should replace it with Meteor Shower, which is MUCH more effective. Mobs will still try to run from it, but usually can't because of the knockdowns. I always bring Cynn, but god, Firestorm is frustrating to deal with.

While we're at it, can we please please PLEASE stop Claude from standing at the frontline casting Blood Ritual on the warriors?

Oh, yeah, been there, done that. At one point, I had to give up because I was laughing so hard. She just wouldn't stand still.

She's afraid you'll rape her or something

Zephro · May 31, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by TurinPT

that makes no sense.

and why all the hench bashing, I find them pretty good healers.
did most of the missions with only me and the heal hench as healers and most of the time I just stand and call targets, she does most of the healing by herself. =|

Typo

I wanted to say, Tyrian henchies can't hold a candle to Canthan henchies.

Manic Smile · May 31, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Sagaris

I managed to do most of the game with henchies, as an assassin, I finished both the Kurzick and Luxon sides, apart for Unwaking Waters (Kurzick), because I'm too lazy.

If I can do it with an assassin, sure as hell you can do it.

I have as well but your statement is rather irrelevant to the fact that the hench builds are pretty sad. I mean compare them to a pair of enemy lvl 20 monks and it's...well sad. I mean the devs had to intend to make the hench build weak otherwise it makes no sense.

mrcake · May 31, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

I’ll top that, after the protection monk was rez’ed both it and duh’ika ran off and where running back an forth and didn’t bother coming to rez’ing me.

i have that problem with the henchies all the time, if by some stroke of luck they manage to stay alive and kill the last enemy they bot proceed to just run back and forth to the dead members and then back to where they were stood, i watched them for 20 minutes do this once just incase they had some real bad energy regen problem, but alas they never rez'd anyone even after my relentless pinign of "xxx is dead"

Infinity^ · May 31, 2006, 08:55 AM // 08:55

I have done most of the game with henchies, but that doesn't mean I dont think they are a waste of space. I always seem to end up shouting at them for one reason or another.

Normally along the lines of "Danika! Why are you standing there!?" as she wands a mob in the face. Or when the spirit henchie casts shelter for no reason at all, runs to catch up with the rest of the group and aggros the entire world.

I dont recall having such problems in Tyria. Maybe because the mobs weren't at such a high level, in Cantha I can't go up against a group of 5 naga without one of the henchies dieing. "Are you going to heal him or just stand there? Heal him. Heal him. Heal him. Heal hi... oh for Gods sake."

Just give us a couple of Dredge Gardeners as healer henchies and everything would be fine.

salaboB · May 31, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Amadei

Oh, yeah, been there, done that. At one point, I had to give up because I was laughing so hard. She just wouldn't stand still.

That's about what I did, I just announced to the party that I couldn't give her energy because she wouldn't let me, and stopped trying.

Far earlier in the thread someone mentioned the henches being better without healing touch, but I can say this: I have never seen them use healing touch on anyone other than themselves (Certainly never seen it be used on me) and Lina who has no healing touch will run right up next to allies before casting healing spells on them. It's just something in the healer AI for Prophecies, it's not healing touch.

Cold · May 31, 2006, 11:11 AM // 11:11

My 2 favourite henches are cutthroat assassins

They have a nasty habbit to teleport to random places though argoing more mobs in the process, but they manage to put daze on everyone around. Sometimes you call one target and you can see them running to other caster just to put that nice condition on him and interrupt everything after that.
It's well known how hard ele (and some ritualist) bosses hit now but those two can completely shut them down with daze.

Mr_T_bot · May 31, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by wilebill

Just keep the henchies alive and they will eventually kill anything.

Possibly... if they wern't idiots. Canthan AI can't even focus fire.

Tijger · May 31, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I dont expect henchies to perform as well as humans although the funny thing is that they quite often perform better.

I take them along when I go mapping or doing faction quests, sometimes they die, sometimes they dont, sometimes they let me die, big deal, at least they dont whine about DP or start shouting 'noob! u sux"

I also dont believe the devs designed the henches to be as smart as humans can be to encourage creating parties with human player but just good enough to allow you to complete missions and quests with them.

Age · May 31, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Young Hero

Ya I didn't think it did anything.
Heres a frustrating screen of the 7 part mission, to get to the first mission Vizunah Square.

Now my b/p Ranger was the first character I took through Factions.Didn't change anything and must have used "Rebirth" on henchies 1001 times.Kinda miss getting "Shield of Regeneration" cast on me.

Don't go blaming the Henchies as this is your own fault as you don't have res signet on you bar.I guess you just ran away and let them die and came back well you are to blame.It is a good thing this isn't a real party or you weren't PvPing as it has happened to me in the RA but in the HoH or GvG you would of gotten a good talking to.So blame yourself.

The signet of devotion is nice but it is no wear near as good as say good ole orisions with devine favour bonus and can heal you for more.The reason prophecies henches don't have the same skill set and scripts is they expect you to team up with a real party not use henches only as it is an online game .When you use henches it might as well be single player game.We have mentioned henchman controls Alex said something about it and maybe it is about time to rewrite the prophecies henchman scripts since there aren't al ot playing in that part of the game as much try getting party at Abbadon's Mouth.I really don't mind to much the chapter 1 henches but it would be nice to have position where the castors are behind you and not the warriors as I see Alesia in front of me and Stefan behind me but at the lower level the getter they are as in level 3 Alesia is better than level 20.she doesn't like to have other Monks around either.It would be nice if they did give them a condition and a hex removal.

This could go into suggestion but i will post here it would of been nice to have ressurect avaible in presearing to Monks or /Mo and restorelife given to you in post and to have heal other closer to Ascalon in quest say Serenity Temple or piken Square as to match the skill bar of the henchies.I don't know why we can't get it when level 6 Alesia has it but I still missi Lina in faction as she has protective spirit and the protector of Factions doesn't but all of them like haveinf a ressing contest.That is what bugs me.

I will say this is Devona is one of the best in the game as she has in inturrupt and Reyna and Aiden don't which it would be nice.

Age · May 31, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Infinity^

I have done most of the game with henchies, but that doesn't mean I dont think they are a waste of space. I always seem to end up shouting at them for one reason or another.

Normally along the lines of "Danika! Why are you standing there!?" as she wands a mob in the face. Or when the spirit henchie casts shelter for no reason at all, runs to catch up with the rest of the group and aggros the entire world.

I dont recall having such problems in Tyria. Maybe because the mobs weren't at such a high level, in Cantha I can't go up against a group of 5 naga without one of the henchies dieing. "Are you going to heal him or just stand there? Heal him. Heal him. Heal him. Heal hi... oh for Gods sake."

Just give us a couple of Dredge Gardeners as healer henchies and everything would be fine.

The levels are the same in both chapters and I find it easier in Factions than Prophecies as you don't have a lot of hex and curses thrown at you like in Prophecies.

Age · May 31, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Whiplashr

On the subject of henchies and stupid skill usage.. they need to remove Fire Storm from Cynn and other mage henchies that have it.

While we're at it, how about just remove the skill from the game altogether. It's become worthless and useless.

No one likes chasing down monsters that are fleeing. People, when forming groups, go out of their way to insist no one bring this skill. People scream bloody murder when someone DOES use it, because they hate all the enemies scattering.

In many areas of Factions, the hench selection is pretty bad. I hate being a position where Cynn or some other mage becomes a necessary evil. It never works out. I get sick of chasing down the enemies too.. so I end up having to take a different type of team than what I want.

I really wish ANET would wake up and realize how badly they screwed up when they introduced the AOE nerfs. NO ONE use this skill anymore.

Sorry Moderators and other for the 3rd quote but Firestorm is still usefull in presearing an and I use it till I got to the desert as well I was playing ele with another one in the Ring of Fire mission and she used FireStorm and I didn't.I have been told by a good Ele in my guild that firestorm is good at protecting Monks.

Theos · May 31, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by generik

You obviously haven't tried the Luxon ranger interrupter hench.

If anything it has proven to me that my mesmer is worthless!

You obviously never realised he uses a high-arc bow for his interupts, he also can't and has no chance of ever, interupting the spells Vasburg can... namely Orison and RoF.

IllusiveMind · May 31, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Cynn and her firestorm is not a problem at all. The day that I learned to play with "Tab", "C" and "Spacebar" was the day that Cynn became one of my best henchies around.

GranDeWun · May 31, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Forget about better hench AI; I just want better controls for them:
- "Stay here while I pull."
- "Attack my target, I really mean it."
- "Stay on your target while I switch targets."
- "Rez me now. (Noob)."
- "Run away!"

You get the idea.

Evilsod · May 31, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

It would be nice if when you called a target, they attacked it regardless of which you switched to. At least that way when playing as a warrior you could control the agro and still kill off other things.

Young Hero · May 31, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Age

Don't go blaming the Henchies as this is your own fault as you don't have res signet on you bar.I guess you just ran away and let them die and came back well you are to blame.It is a good thing this isn't a real party or you weren't PvPing as it has happened to me in the RA but in the HoH or GvG you would of gotten a good talking to.So blame yoursel.

blah-blah-blah

So its safe to say , when with Henchies you need Rez because they are quaranteed to aggro and guaranteed to die.8 slots and I have to carry a frigging rez even with a god dayum rit and healer.
Bottom line-henchies suc.

pbspectre · May 31, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Infinity^

Just give us a couple of Dredge Gardeners as healer henchies and everything would be fine.

QFT...when i was first working my way through Echovald, i was really suprised by the dredge groups...the squishies stay in the back and the melee's block fairly well...

why is it at comparable levels, the enemy AI completely owns the hench AI??